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According to Chernin: Creativity Needs Both Safety and Terror

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Ben Odell
Jun 29, 2026
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Having just moved back to LA after a year and a half of working from the coffee region of Colombia, I’m taking this week and next week off from the usual Open Gardens deep dives to settle in and catch up on everything happening in the great convergence.

But I am publishing something anyway.

This is less an article than a set of notes and reflections from Kara Swisher’s interview with Peter Chernin on On with Kara Swisher a few weeks back. I finally had time to listen to it.

I’ve spent all of one hour in a room with Chernin, back when we were considering selling our company, but he was in kicking-the-tires mode, not sharing-wisdom mode.

When you can get him to go deep on where he thinks media is going, you take notes. He has kept his pulse on this business better than almost anyone. His company’s bet on Backrooms proves it yet again.

The whole interview is worth listening to. There are a lot of gems, including his caution against the current overcorrection that every creator is now going to…

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