This conversation took place December 17, 2025. It has been edited from the original conversation for length and flow.
Ben Odell:
I wanted to give you some context, because you sort of come to me through a couple of different places. I’m a legacy producer. I’ve produced around 30 movies and a bunch of TV series. I’ve been obsessed with the creator economy for a long time. Years ago, I used to hang out at Maker Studios, and it was just this fascinating place, because they were actually making things while we were in Hollywood pitching movies and waiting two years to get them made if we were lucky. So I was always kind of fascinated by it, but I could never quite figure out the move for me.
In the last few years, I really started to see the inevitability of it. I also realized that for the creator economy to keep growing, it was going to have to converge in some way with the legacy business. There’s just no way around it. The need to scale and the structural needs were always going to star…
